In this episode, Marty is joined by Bob Marks, owner of EMI Landscape in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania. Bob grew the company from $700K to over $13 million in revenue and has built one of the most impressive snow operations in the industry. A former Audi mechanic who returned to his family's business when his stepfather was injured, Bob shares the details of their fleet, how they manage large zero-downtime facilities, and how they keep 150+ employees motivated through long storm events.
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Episode Chapters
01:35 - Meet Bob Marks
02:23 - From DC to EMI
04:35 - Scaling EMI
06:21 - Working with Mack Trucks
07:45 - EMI’s Fleet
09:38 - Plows and Efficiency
11:04 - Snowfall and Forecasting
13:03 - Buy vs Leasing Strategy
16:09 - Maintenance and Options
20:08 - Zero Tolerance Clients
21:45 - Saying No to Grow
26:47 - Selling Snow Work
28:04 - Subcontractor Labor
29:24 - Fair Subcontractor Partnerships
30:51 - Accountability With Brokers
32:31 - Year Round Snow Planning
33:43 - Equipment Ordering Strategy
35:36 - Staffing & Training Bootcamp
38:07 - Projector Based Site Training
38:40 - Truck Brush Safety Costs
40:43 - The Storm Communication Playbook
43:35 - Motivation, Culture, and Bonus System
46:31 - Biggest Snow Challenges
50:09 - Pride in People First
52:49 - Please Like, Share and Subscribe!
Key Learnings
Make Sure the Client Wants What You Are Offering: If they do not want it, you will not make them happy. Getting expectations clear upfront saves everyone.
Action: Be clear on who you are, where you are going, and who you want to work for. Say no to work that does not fit.
Partner with Your Dealer: The biggest equipment mistake was not building a relationship with a local dealer who could advise on specs, options, and configurations.
Action: Go to lunch. Talk regularly. Learn what you do not know about quick couplers, transmissions, and winter packages before you buy.
The Implement Matters as Much as the Machine: A small plow on a $200,000 loader means you are not getting the efficiency out of that machine.
Action: Invest in hydraulic wing plows and proper attachments. EMI reduced their fleet by 15% and did the same amount of work.
Snow Never Turns Off: Planning is year-round. Equipment orders happen now. The SIMA Symposium in June kicks off the next winter season.
Action: Finalize equipment and personnel by September or October. Train regional managers before training everyone else.
The 48-24-12 Rule: Give your team 48 hours notice when snow is in the forecast, 24 hours to confirm availability and send referrals, and 6-12 hours for the final call.
Action: Communicate early so people show up prepared. No sneakers, no excuses, no last-minute surprises.
Treat Subcontractors Like Partners: Pay them faster than you get paid. Give them all the work on their site, not just the big storms. Treat them like human beings.
Action: Be picky about who you work with, then take care of them. EMI has only had to fire two subcontractors in 15 years.
Communicate the Why: If people do not know the why, they just do not care like they should. EMI positions themselves as first responders for the first responders.
Action: Tell your team why the work matters. Pay them what they deserve. Share profits when snow is profitable.
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